Friday, April 1, 2016

Episode 246: The Rolling Stones: 1964 - 1969



Episode 246: The Rolling Stones: 1964 - 1969
Pat and Co-Host Mike Siegel pay tribute to the first decade of The Rolling Stones recorded history. Kyle Dodson produces and satisfaction is guaranteed.
From March 31, 2016

With your hosts:

Pat Francis

Mike Siegel


00:00:00 Pat and Mike welcome us to the show. It's nice to see the Snowman back on the podcast, especially a Francis Manor. He's been very busy, performing stand up comedy on cruise ship and engaging in weekly bitch sessions with Christy about the TV show Vinyl. Mike likes to hate watch. Some more TV talk, as well as the topics of non-aging actors and greying facial hair, before Pat and Mike delve into today's topic: The 1960s output of The Rolling Stones.
00:05:00 The guys both love the Rolling Stones. They discuss how the Stones are the last of the epic British 60s rock bands (Stones, Who, Kinks, Beatles) to still be together after all these years. The Beatles' whole career was the 60s, but in this decade the Stones were just getting started. Rock Solid will break up the decades. Mike wants to stick around the 70s episode, but will tag out after that. Stones in the 60s had different US and UK album releases, a number of compilation albums, but for the most part both sides of the Atlantic had the same songs. Pat starts us off with the first Rolling Stones single ever released. Off the compilation album Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass), the song is "Come On". The real early Stones stuff was all covers.
00:10:00 The first pick for Mike is "Heart of Stone" off the album The Rolling Stones, Now!. That is an early Jagger/Richards composition. Mike then plays the first Jagger/Richards song released as an A-side single, "Tell Me (You're Coming Back)" off their debut album The Rolling Stones. Finally, Mike plays the song that was released as part of the first full Jagger/Richards single. It's "The Last Time" off the album Out of Our Heads.
00:15:00 Here is the classic 60s lineup: Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Bill Wyman, Charlie Watts, and Brian Jones. Mike gives props to Jones for starting the band, forming the lineup, and playing multiple instruments. He calls him an unsung hero. Pat's next pick is off the 1967 album Between the Buttons. Pat considers this album and Aftermath are equivalent to Rubber Soul and Revolver. He plays "Let's Spend the Night Together". It's incredible how that song was considered too racy for Ed Sullivan.
00:20:00 Pat thinks the Stones didn't have the best individual players, but when you put them together, it works. Mike says you can argue for Jagger and Richards, but with Watts and Wyman, it really was a case of "Yeah, let's stick these two faces for radio in the back." Watts admits that the band doesn't follow him on drums, because he follows Keith. That's why they sound the way they do. Mike laments still not having seen the Stones live before playing his next song. Off of Aftermath, it's "Paint It Black". It's certainly a bit different than those blues covers. Something tells me Muddy Waters didn't even know what a sitar was.
Pat plays his own track from Aftermath called "Out of Time".
00:25:00 On Aftermath, Jones plays guitar, piano, organ, harpsichord, marimba, sitar, Appalachian dulcimer (a what?), harmonica, and koto (again, a what?). A very talented man. Pat and Mike discuss his death. Around the time of Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed, Jones was an absolute mess. Drugs had ruined him. The band decided to cut him loose. A month later, he was found dead at the bottom of his pool. Sad, sad story. Meanwhile Pat once had a pool guy named Brian Jones. He used to be Gene Simmons' pool guy, who made fun of him all the time. Oh Gene. Mike plays "Under My Thumb" off of Aftermath.
00:30:00 Pat plays a big song off an American album called December's Children (and Everybody's). The song is "Get Off of My Cloud".
Here's a song for all you Worrisome Willie's out there. Mike plays "19th Nervous Breakdown" off of Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass). Mike wonders if writing a stand up bit is like writing a song. Some comedians are prolific and have decades of legendary bits, while others are one-hit wonders.
Up next for Pat is a song off of Out of Our Heads. It's called "Play with Fire". The song is credited to Nanker Phelge, which was a collective pseudonym for the band's group compositions.
00:35:00 There are so many 60s songs that the Stones don't play anymore, if ever. Mike's wheelhouse is the later 60s, 70s stuff. The first album he (and Pat) bought was Tattoo You. His next pick is off of The Rolling Stones No. 2. The song is "Everybody Needs Somebody to Love".
Pat has a deep cut for us all. Off of Between the Buttons, it's "Miss Amanda Jones".
00:40:00 Oh no. Ohhhhhhh no. Mike Siegel has decided to bust out his patented

When The Beatles put out Sgt. Pepper, the Stones decided to write their own psychedelically-tinged romp. Behold one of the worst Rolling Stones albums ever, Their Majesties Satanic Request. Mike plays "In Another Land", which has Bill Wyman on lead vocals. It's not good. It's not good AT ALL. And yet... it went gold. Damn acid-taking hippies and their money-spending ways.
The next pick for Pat is "I'm Free" off of December's Children (and Everybody's). The Stones' first #1 in the US was "Satisfaction." In the UK, it was "It's All Over Now."
Mike's next pick is off the album 12 x 5. It's a cover of the blues song "Confessin' the Blues".
00:45:00 All those 60s British rockers were inspired by the black American rockers and blues guys like Chuck Berry, Eddie Cochran, Muddy Waters, and Bo Diddley. Pat considers the Beatles a pop band, while the Stones are a proper rock band. The Beatles are considerably lighter. You can make a kids album with Beatles songs. Mike, meanwhile, play a song that probably wouldn't be featured on a kids album. It's "Mother's Little Helper" off of Aftermath. Of course the Snowman would play a song about drugs, that cheeky boy. Pat never did any drugs, nor did he hang out with people who did them. Mike didn't do anything in high school. His first time rolling up the green was in college. Pat thought he would get addicted to anything he tried. Well... Pat is addicted to something he's tried: Music and Blu-Rays. The man has a problem.
00:50:00 Case in point: Pat bought a 13-disc Todd Rundgren box set. Good god.
"Todd Rundgren doesn't own that much Todd Rundgren."
- Mike, with the line of the episode.

After Their Satanic Majesties Request, the Stones decided to get back to business with proper rock and roll and the last two Stones albums of the 60s, Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed. Pat plays the title track off the latter, "Let It Bleed". Ian Stewart is on piano. He was basically the 6th Stone, but he was an older gentleman, and had a chin that would put Jay Leno to shame. So the Stones' manager Andrew Oldham took off the stage, but they kept him in the band on the studio side for a long time.
00:55:00 Mike plays a track off of Beggars Banquet. The song is "Street Fighting Man".
Pat plays a track off of Beggars Banquet as well. The song is called "Salt of the Earth".
Richards called this next song the quintessential Jagger-Richards songs. Mike plays the live version of "Midnight Rambler" off the album 'Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out!': The Rolling Stones in Concert. Wait a minute, now. Red flag possibly called on the play. This live album was released in 1970. BUT! The song was recorded in 1969. We'll give it to you this time, Siegel, but you're on thin ice.
01:00:00 Pat goes back to Between the Buttons with his next pick "Connection". And then, in a shocking turn of events, plays a cover version of the song done by Montrose! My word.
Mike's last pick is also the Stones' last song of the 60s, and what a way to close out the decade. It's "You Can't Always Get What You Want" off of Let It Bleed.
01:05:00 In the 1960s, the Stones sold eight million albums in the US. Some Girls, which came out in 1978, sold six million alone. 70s albums sold huge, says Mike, which prompts him to bug Pat and Kyle about how many albums Peter Frampton, Fleetwood Mac, Elton John, and Led Zeppelin sold. It's a whole big barrel of numerical fun. Pat eventually manages to snap Mike out of his record-selling daze and play some music. It's "Stupid Girl" from the album Aftermath.
01:10:00 The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus is briefly brought up. It's a concert film that features The Who, John Lennon, and Jethro Tull. (Fun fact: It is Tony Iommi's only performance with Jethro Tull and he didn't even play. He mimed along to "Song for Jeffrey.") The Stones in the 60s had quite a few studio albums due to the US/UK releases. In the 70s, when there was only one version of the albums, the Stones only put out six studio albums. But what a six: Sticky Fingers, Exile on Main St., Goats Head Soup, It's Only Rock 'n Roll, Black and Blue, and Some Girls. Mike praises the 1972 American tour.
01:15:00 We'll see Mike again with a look at the Rolling Stones in the 70s. As for the 80s? Well... we'll give that one to Murray. Pat takes us out with "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" off of Out of Our Heads.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:05:00 Come On Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass) The Rolling Stones Pat
00:10:00 Heart of Stone The Rolling Stones, Now! The Rolling Stones Mike
00:10:00 Tell Me (You’re Coming Back) The Rolling Stones The Rolling Stones Mike
00:10:00 The Last Time Out of Our Heads The Rolling Stones Mike
00:15:00 Let’s Spend the Night Together Between the Buttons The Rolling Stones Pat
00:20:00 Paint It Black Aftermath The Rolling Stones Mike
00:20:00 Out of Time Aftermath The Rolling Stones Pat
00:25:00 Under My Thumb Aftermath The Rolling Stones Mike
00:30:00 Get Off of My Cloud December’s Children (and Everybody’s) The Rolling Stones Pat
00:30:00 19th Nervous Breakdown Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass) The Rolling Stones Mike
00:30:00 Play with Fire Out of Our Heads The Rolling Stones Pat
00:35:00 Everybody Needs Somebody to Love The Rolling Stones, Now! The Rolling Stones Mike
00:35:00 Miss Amanda Jones Between the Buttons The Rolling Stones Pat
00:40:00 In Another Land Their Satanic Majesties Request The Rolling Stones Mike
00:40:00 I’m Free December’s Children (and Everybody’s) The Rolling Stones Pat
00:40:00 Confessin’ the Blues 12 x 5 The Rolling Stones Mike
00:45:00 Mother’s Little Helper Aftermath The Rolling Stones Mike
00:50:00 Let It Bleed Let It Bleed The Rolling Stones Pat
00:55:00 Street Fighting Man Beggar's Banquet The Rolling Stones Mike
00:55:00 Salt of the Earth Beggar's Banquet The Rolling Stones Pat
00:55:00 Midnight Rambler Let It Bleed The Rolling Stones Mike
01:00:00 Connection Between the Buttons The Rolling Stones Pat
01:00:00 You Can’t Always Get What You Want Let It Bleed The Rolling Stones Mike
01:05:00 Stupid Girl Aftermath The Rolling Stones Pat
01:15:00 (I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction Out of Our Heads The Rolling Stones Pat

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