Friday, September 25, 2015

Episode 219: The Rock'N'Roll Zoo



Episode 219: The Rock'N'Roll Zoo
Pat and Co-Host April Richardson spend a day at the "Rock'N'Roll Zoo" by playing songs that have animals in the title.
From September 24, 2015

With your hosts:

Pat Francis

April Richardson


00:00:00 "Fuck it!" That's how we start this week's podcast. It's a late night record and Kyle is pounding down the Arnold Palmers. April is trying to cut out sugars; meanwhile she's drinking sweet tea. Pat recaps the Canada episode with Ben Weber. "Oh, pick Mike, whatever then," says April. She's obviously jealous of the "Fly Honey" Mike Siegel being picked over her. Ben brought everyone a bottle of maple syrup, which I believe is considered a mating ritual in Canada. This reminds April of when she used to make syrup sandwiches as a redneck kid growing up in the South. As a kid, April was a self-described dump truck: cakes, cookies, candies, they were all going down her gullet. Now that she's in her thirties, April's gotta take that stuff easy. Fewer Milk Duds, more Pilates.
00:05:00 Pat has a fun show idea for April called "April from TV." You recreate a classic TV show and insert April into the episodes. Just put her in a bunch of shows: Night Court, The Ropers, Magnum P.I., AfterMASH, Cop Rock, Baby Bob. In other April Richardson news, she recently went on a rad date. He was a gentleman who paid for some dinner and drinks. April is hush on his identity.
00:10:00 As for Young Master Kyle, he recently ran a 5K in San Francisco. His completion time: a respectable 34:55. His friend, meanwhile, smoked him at a much more respectable 21 minutes. Then they ate some Chinese food to celebrate like proper runners. "5K, that's like 5000 miles," jokes April.
Today's topic is called the Rock and Roll Zoo and it's a sequel to the Gary Lucy-era episode "Simply the Beast." These are songs with animals in the title. April admits her list is a little lacking due to time constraints. And it's hard to think of a wide variety of animals when there is a deadline.
00:15:00 Pat kicks open the doors to the Rock and Roll Zoo with his first pick. Off the album Zenyatta Mondatta, it's The Police with "Canary in a Coalmine".
April's first pick is the band The Stone Roses. She plays "Elephant Stone" from the compilation album The Very Best of The Stone Roses.
Pat wants to do an episode about his next pick, Elton John. Off the album Honky Chateau, it's "Honky Cat".
00:20:00 Pat and April gush over their love of cheesy 80s Elton John. April admits that she has ended karaoke parties by singing "Sad Songs (Say So Much)." Pat teases that this will be the next Pat-April episode. In the meantime, April plays her next pick. It's the horror punk maestros The Misfits with "Where Eagles Dare" from the album Walk Among Us.
And now, the opposite. Pat plays "Honey Bee" by Tom Petty off the album Wildflowers. Talk of Geoff Tate's fandom of Tom Petty leads to April discussing her desire for an Elvis TCB tattoo. She wants to get it in Memphis, maybe even Graceland. Not in the bathroom, though. God knows what evil X-Files voodoo will happen if she gets an Elvis tattoo in the same room where he died.
"No one's flushed it. There's still an upper decker."
- Kyle, on the preservation of Elvis' toilet, with one of the lines of the episode.
00:25:00 April already has a Billy Bragg tattoo, which is interesting because she's friends with him. She showed it to Billy once and he kind of made fun of her for it. But he did it in a playful way, so it's all good. April continues with her next animal song. Off the album Peter Gabriel: Security, it's "Shock the Monkey" by Peter Gabriel. "Young Peter Gabriel can get it!" shouts April.
Pat's next pick is a newer song. He plays "Dog Days Are Over" by Florence + the Machine off the album Lungs.
00:30:00 Up next for April is The B-52's. Off their self-titled debut album, it's the song "Rock Lobster". This isn't a song, this is an event. April asks Pat if he remembers the old days when artists went balls to the wall weird and creative. April wants to dress up like Siouxsie Sioux or Kate Pierson and do stand-up comedy. She just wants to do it. Would it work? As long as her mouth isn't covered like Bane, I think she'd be okay.
00:35:00 After discussing Tig Notaro taking her shirt off, we return to the music. Pat plays the song "Little Bird" by The White Stripes off the album De Stijl.
"Sometimes he looks like a vampire and a Native American woman had a kid, and sometimes he's, like, hot."
- April, on Jack White's flip-flopping handsomeness.
April's next song is by favorites Manic Street Preachers. Off the album Send Away the Tigers, it's the song "Send Away the Tigers".
00:40:00 "I literally thought this was the Jared Leto band," says Pat. Uh oh. Big mistake. "Fuck! Off!" shouts April. How dare Pat compare Manic Street Preachers to 30 Seconds to Mars. What is he, some sort of uncultured hill person? Thankfully Pat gets back in everyone's good graces with his next pick. It's "Elephant Gun" by David Lee Roth off the album Eat 'Em and Smile. And of course, Pat plays the Spanish version as well.
April's got some twee for us all to enjoy. Off the album The Life Pursuit, it's Belle & Sebastian with "Funny Little Frog".
00:45:00 "This is not a hot guy," Pat explains about his next pick. He plays "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" by Genesis from the album The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. This was not handsome solo Peter Gabriel. This was purposefully ugly progressive rock weirdo Peter Gabriel. It's kinda the reason Genesis sought out the more straightforward Phil Collins to be their next singer. At least Phil wasn't wearing sunflower hats and singing about Giant Hogweeds.
April's next pick brings back horrible memories of the Super Mario Bros. movie. It's "Walk the Dinosaur" by Was (Not Was) off the album What Up, Dog?.
"This is a guy who has a sister named Marie... and a bunch of brothers no one gives a shit about."
- Pat, introducing his next pick, with the other line of the episode.
Pat plays "Puppy Love" by Donny Osmond off the album Portrait of Donny.
00:50:00 April's next pick is the band Pulp. She plays "Dogs Are Everywhere" off the compilation album Masters of the Universe.
Pat believes that his next pick is a case of lazy songwriting. Off the boxset Tracks, it's Bruce Springsteen with "Lion's Den".
April follows up one big feline with another. She plays "Life with the Lions" by her good buddy Billy Bragg from the album Worker's Playtime.
00:55:00 Rock Solid gets a bit more rockin' with Pat's next pick. He plays The Foo Fighters with "Monkey Wrench" off the album The Colour and the Shape.
April drops a bomb by playing a song with the word "trout" in the title. Off the album Homebrew, it's "Trout" by Neneh Cherry feat. Michael Stipe.
Okay everyone, strap in. Pat has a really weird The Who song for us. Off of A Quick One, it's "Boris the Spider". Never been a fan of that one.
01:00:00 Oh look, another artist that April personally knows. It's The Beautiful South with "Blackbird on the Wire" from the album Blue Is the Colour. "Didn't they stay at your house or something?" asks Kyle. "No, they did not," corrects April.
Pat's next pick is "Slow Cheetah" by The Red Hot Chili Peppers off the album Stadium Arcadium. Pat asks the young people for their thoughts on the Chili Peps. If Kyle had a mix of songs, he would listen. But he can't listen to a whole album. April isn't a fan, but she doesn't hate them. Thank you, young people, for your input.
April's next song aptly describes one Pat Francis. It's Beck with "Jack-Ass" from the album Odelay.
01:05:00 Does anyone know what this next song means? Pat doesn't and neither do I. But who cares, it's great. Off the album Seven and the Ragged Tiger (which Kyle pronounces as the one syllable "ragged" and not the two syllable "rag-ged" as it's supposed to be said). Surprisingly Duran Duran was not on April's 80s radar. No hate, she just never got them. But she was into Wham! Whatever happened to Andrew Ridgely, they wonder. Currently living off his Wham! money and sharing the wealth with his Bananarama girlfriend.
Hip hop is the next section for the Rock and Roll Zoo. It's "Brass Monkey" by Beastie Boys off the album Paul's Boutique.
01:10:00 If only "Holy Diver" was called "Ride the Tiger", then this song could have been played on the show. But alas, Pat has a different song called "Ride the Tiger". It's by Jefferson Airplane off the album Dragon Fly.
April follows this up with another monkey song. This lady is bananas! HA HA! COMEDY HUMOR! She plays "Robots and Monkeys" by The Ordinary Boys from the album Over the Counter Culture.
Pat has a different version of "Wild Horses" by The Rolling Stones. It is an acoustic version from the album Stripped. April's favorite version of this song is the cover done by The Sundays in the movie Fear, where Mark Wahlberg fingerbangs Reese Witherspoon on the rollercoaster.
01:15:00 We transition to movie talk, including the new movie Daddy's Home with Mark Wahlberg and Will Ferrell. Pat and Kyle don't like comedies that are supposed to be grounded in reality, but have unrealistic stunts. Like when Kevin James got kicked by a horse into a car at 50 miles an hour in Paul Blart 2 and didn't die. Forget stunts, April loses belief when she sees Kevin James be a lawyer in movies. The three agree that they like Kevin and Will and Adam, but it's the movies that suck balls. April was on the Sandler train until Big Daddy. Pat likes Sandler's dramas.
01:20:00 April is still chugging away at stand up. The Funcomfortable Tour with Chris Hardwick is winding down due to The Walking Dead starting up again soon. Pretty soon April will be the one headlining theaters and hosting 8 billion shows at once. All it takes is for Mr. Hardwick to have a happy little accident.
The Rock and Roll Zoo is now closed. All visitors must please leave the park. April takes us out with "Have You Fed the Fish?" by Badly Drawn Boy from the album Have You Fed the Fish?.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:15:00 Canary in a Coalmine Zenyatta Mondatta The Police Pat
00:15:00 Elephant Stone The Very Best of The Stone Roses The Stone Roses April
00:15:00 Honky Cat Honky Chateau Elton John Pat
00:20:00 Where Eagles Dare Walk Among Us The Misfits April
00:20:00 Honey Bee Wildflowers Tom Petty Pat
00:25:00 Shock the Monkey Peter Gabriel: Security Peter Gabriel April
00:25:00 Dog Days Are Over Lungs Florence + the Machine Pat
00:30:00 Rock Lobster The B-52’s The B-52’s April
00:35:00 Little Bird De Stijl The White Stripes Pat
00:35:00 Send Away the Tigers Send Away the Tigers Manic Street Preachers April
00:40:00 Elephant Gun Eat ‘Em and Smile David Lee Roth Pat
00:40:00 Funny Little Frog The Life Pursuit Belle & Sebastian April
00:45:00 The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway Top Gun Soundtrack Loverboy Pat
00:45:00 Walk the Dinosaur What Up, Dog? Was (Not Was) April
00:45:00 Puppy Love Portrait of Donny Donny Osmond Pat
00:50:00 Dogs Are Everywhere Masters of the Universe Pulp April
00:50:00 Lion’s Den Tracks Bruce Springsteen Pat
00:50:00 Life with the Lions Worker’s Playtime Billy Bragg April
00:55:00 Monkey Wrench The Colour and the Shape The Foo Fighters Pat
00:55:00 Trout Homebrew Neneh Cherry feat. Michael Stipe April
00:55:00 Boris the Spider A Quick One The Who Pat
01:00:00 Blackbird on the Wire Blue Is the Colour The Beautiful South April
01:00:00 Slow Cheetah Stadium Arcadium The Red Hot Chili Peppers Pat
01:00:00 Jack-Ass Odelay Beck April
01:05:00 Union of the Snake Seven and the Ragged Tiger Duran Duran Pat
01:05:00 Brass Monkey Paul’s Boutique Beastie Boys April
01:10:00 Ride the Tiger Dragon Fly Jefferson Starship Pat
01:10:00 Robots and Monkeys Over the Counter Culture The Ordinary Boys April
01:10:00 Wild Horses Stripped The Rolling Stones Pat
01:20:00 Have You Fed the Fish? Have You Fed the Fish? Badly Drawn Boy April

Thursday, September 17, 2015

Episode 218: Fleetwood Mac



Episode 218: Fleetwood Mac
Pat and rock journalist David Wild discuss the 40+ years of recorded history by the chart-topping band Fleetwood Mac.
From September 17, 2015

With your host:

Pat Francis


00:00:00 Pat and David Wild welcome us to the show. This is David's fourth time on the show, so we must be doing something right. It's a very hot night in L.A. David and Pat were both recently in Italy (though not together) and it was even hotter there. David's a bit emotional now because his son went to college. He may be in the same state, but it's still a real Norwegian Wood scenario (this bird has flown, as they say). Pat recommends that David adopt Mike Siegel; even the most handsome of coke fiends needs a father figure in their life. Hall and Oates are actually playing in Berkeley where David's son goes to college.
"I could put you in touch with their manager."
- Pat, referring to Hall & Oates.

"I could put myself in touch with John Oates."
- David
00:05:00 Today Pat and David are discussing the band Fleetwood Mac, one of David's favorite artists. Of course this wouldn't be a David Wild episode without a bevy of namedropping on behalf of our guest co-host. He begins by mentioning he once had dinner with Stevie Nicks. David feels like the lost child of Stevie and Lindsey Buckingham because he's known both of them for so long. David became friends with Lindsey around Tango in the Night. Then he interviewed Stevie during her troubled years where she would cry a lot. Pat wonders what someone like Stevie Nicks wears to dinner. David says she's stylish, but wears significantly less scarves than Steven Tyler.
00:10:00 David had the privilege of writing the liner notes for the 2013 reissue of Rumours. He tried to listen to this with fresh ears and found that he liked the album a lot more than he remembered. The song "Oh Daddy" is the one song Pat fast forwards through when listening to the album. It's a Christine McVie song, which David feels you need to have on the album in order to break up the monotony of Buckingham and Nicks songs. Knowing both of them, David wonders how Stevie and Lindsey ever got along. Lindsey is the technical, musical genius. Stevie is the free-flowing, fun artist. I smell a sitcom!
00:15:00 Not everything Fleetwood Mac does is considered easy listening. There's some weirdness and eccentricity to it as well. It's just that the lighter songs are the ones that make it to the radio. David and his kids got to see Fleetwood Mac do a full show rehearsal for the Say You Will tour. He could still see the tension from back in the day poking its head through. Pat likes Lindsey's Fleetwood Mac songs, but he only likes some of his solo songs. David notes that the band is aware of how much they need each other, even when they don't always get along. Lindsey himself is frustrated how his genius is making other people sound great.
00:20:00 David kicks off the music with a song called "Gyspy" from the album Mirage. Pat really likes Mirage. It's the anti-Tusk, where the puppet strings of Lindsey Buckingham were severely limited after dominating the prior album.
Pat's first selection goes all the way back to 1969, when the names Nicks, Buckingham, and C. McVie were mere whispers in the wind. Fleetwood Mac was being steered by a guy named Peter Green. Off the album "Then Play On", it's the song "Oh Well". David believes that there's a thread that links this bluesy stuff to the later years.
00:25:00 David wants to highlight the years with Bob Welch. You can almost hear the collective podcast audience roll their eyes because the mere mention of Bob Welch gets Pat going on his "Bob Welch isn't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame despite being on five albums" rant. David plays a song called "Hypnotized" from the album Mystery to Me. Poor Bob eventually went off the deep end (as most Fleetwood Mac members end up doing. You could fill the third floor of McLean Hospital with this band.), but Mick Fleetwood usually keeps the connections going. Members of the band did help Bob with some of his solo stuff. The man did have gold and platinum albums with the band, after all.
Pat plays his song from the Bob Welch era. The song is the original version of "Sentimental Lady" from the album Bare Trees.
00:30:00 A lot of people have been in Fleetwood Mac. Even Dave Mason (yes, that Dave Mason) was in the band for a cup of coffee. David has a story, though, that he can weep to. He was at the reunion concert The Dance which spawned the live album of the same name. His wife was very pregnant (with the same child that recently flew the coop for college). The checkup was the same day as the concert, and the doctor told them that there was a cancer scare. After four hours of waiting, another doctor told them that there was nothing.
After that, they went to the concert. The minute Fleetwood Mac started, David was weeping like a washwoman. He cried the entire show. While Stevie Nicks was belting out "Rhiannon," David's tears could have been used at seven different Passover Seders. David plays "Bleed to Love Her (Live)" from the album. The Dance was ten years after Tango in the Night, Lindsey's (at the time) last album with the band, and fifteen years after Lindsey last toured with the band. David remarks that no matter what, the band is chained together in many ways, including romantically. Stevie has said that she will not release a book until all of her partners are dead and buried.
00:40:00 The most recent full album, Say You Will, has 18 tracks. A few too many, says Pat. But Pat and David agree that the great tracks that are on the album are stellar. Pat plays a song from the album called "Thrown Down". David plays a track called "Peacekeeper".
00:45:00 David turns back the clocks to the band's second self-titled album, released in 1975. Pat plays a song called "Blue Letter". Many people forget that before Rumours came along, this album was just as big. David plays a song from the album that is very rare, in that it was co-written by Christine and Lindsey. The song is called "World Turning".
Pat plays another song from Bob Welch's Fleetwood Mac called "Dissatisfied", from the album Penguin.
00:50:00 The conversation turns to an album that David used to have to defend, but now everyone thinks is hip and trendy like the pet rock or the slinky. It's the double album Tusk. David plays a song called "Walk a Thin Line". He comments on Lindsey having a unique guitar style. Pat likes a lot of the stuff on Tusk, which is very experimental and Lindsey-heavy. The song "Tusk" itself is strange, especially since it was a single. All there is to say is that the song features a marching band and the video has a cardboard cut-out of John McVie.
00:55:00 Pat plays a song from Tusk called "Not That Funny". Cop sirens are blaring in the background. Maybe they're looking for Mike Siegel, America's secret cartel king. Who knows what secrets lie behind that fly honey smile?
David's next song became a hit despite getting left off of Rumours. It's one of the most beautiful songs ever written, according to David. Yet it was exiled to being a B-Side. The song is called "Silver Springs".
01:00:00 "Silver Springs" was eventually added to the track listing of Rumours years later. Meanwhile April Richardson just walked in and David is starstruck. Thankfully he's not too flustered that he can't pay attention to Pat's next song. Off the album Mirage, it's "Oh Diane". Lindsey is really revealing his So Cal whiteness with this song. David tells a humorous about how when he first met Lindsey, Lindsey told him he had six songs ready for his solo album. Then a few years later, Lindsey told David he had four songs ready for his next solo album. At this rate, Lindsey will have no songs ready for his next venture.
David's next pick is a rare Fleetwood Mac cover. Off the live album Live, it's the Beach Boys song "The Farmer's Daughter (Live)".
01:05:00 Pat takes us to 1990 and Behind the Mask, an album without Lindsey Buckingham. Pat plays the song "Save Me". It's the standout song of the album, but it still lacks the edge and landscape that Lindsey brought. It took two guitarists to replace him for Pete's sake. This was the cocaine decade, after all, so the band needed as much help as they could get.
David returns to Rumours with the song "The Chain". David thinks of it as their theme song. Even with all the shit they've been through, they can never break the chain.
01:10:00 David plays the song. As white as these guys are, the song is very tribal. And the tension certainly helped make the song great. "You could make a flowchart of who was fucking who," says David. Eloquently put, David. Lindsey was the one who brought Stevie into the band, though Stevie doesn't like that story. And Stevie claims that she was vacuuming people's apartments before being in the band, which Lindsey calls a severe exaggeration. Oh I don't know what to believe, it's a barrel of guesses and games. Pat meanwhile plays a song from the 1975 self-titled album called "Landslide". I personally recommend the Smashing Pumpkins cover, which is just as delectable as the original.
David plays another song from Rumours. It's "Go Your Own Way". David calls it a perfect song, and it captures the tension that the band was going through.
01:15:00 Now that Christine is back in the band, they are looking to celebrate what they had. Will there be a new album? David has the skinny. Lindsey wants it, Stevie not so much. In the meantime, we got a little taste of modern Mac with the 2013 extended play Extended Play (gee, really digging deep for that one, guys). Pat plays "Sad Angel". He wouldn't be surprised if these songs got cleaned up and injected with the essence of Christine McVie for a future release.
Somehow the conversation turns to Ted Nugent. Of course David has a story. Nugent called David to write the liner notes for his compilation album Out of Control. David wasn't thrilled with the idea. Nugent sensed the hesitation and said, "I know you don't like me. But that's okay because I like me enough for the both of us. David eventually wrote the notes. God bless Uncle Ted.
01:20:00 Off the album Tango in the Night, Pat plays the song "Big Love". The grunts that you hear are Lindsey's grunts sped up. So he's basically making love to himself. Pat marvels at the group photo on the back cover. It looks like Lindsey is smuggling a baked potato in his pants. Hey now. This was the album that Lindsey made and then bolted before the tour started. David says Lindsey couldn't handle going on tour. Stevie was so messed up at the time. David knows that if Lindsey hadn't left then, then he wouldn't be in the band now.
Pat plays one more song from Rumours called "I Don't Want to Know". The song is one of the lesser known songs from Rumours and it still could be a hit.
01:25:00 David plays another song from Tusk called "That's All for Everyone". David points out that Lindsey made a lot of Tusk in his garage.
Pat's final song is from Mirage. The song is called "Love in Store".
01:30:00 Pat tried to get Lindsey's autograph at a show once. The man didn't even look back as he snubbed Pat and the other people waiting for him after the show. But goddammit, the man still looks good. David says he's not the kind of guy who obsesses over that kind of stuff, but Pat objects. At a Conan taping, it took forever to light Lindsey because he didn't want his double chin to show. Oh Pat, now you'll never get the man on the show. Him and Rick Springfield will be chortling on the golf course while you're sad and alone in the studio.
Plugs time. You can find David on Twitter @wildaboutmusic. He's still walking everywhere and racking up the steps. The man recently hiked to the U2 episode. While Murray was blathering on about the intricacies of Pop, David was building up a sweat.
01:35:00 David takes us out with a song from Buckingham Nicks, Stevie and Lindsey's outfit before they went to Fleetwood Mac. Off their only self-titled album, it's the song "Crying in the Night".
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:20:00 Gypsy Mirage Fleetwood Mac David
00:20:00 Oh Well Then Play On Fleetwood Mac Pat
00:25:00 Hypnotized Mystery to Me Fleetwood Mac David
00:25:00 Sentimental Lady Bare Trees Fleetwood Mac Pat
00:35:00 Bleed to Love Her (Live) The Dance Fleetwood Mac David
00:40:00 Thrown Down Say You Will Fleetwood Mac Pat
00:40:00 Peacemaker Say You Will Fleetwood Mac David
00:45:00 Blue Letter Fleetwood Mac Fleetwood Mac Pat
00:45:00 World Turning Fleetwood Mac Fleetwood Mac David
00:45:00 Dissatisfied Penguin Fleetwood Mac Pat
00:50:00 Walk a Thin Line Tusk Fleetwood Mac David
00:55:00 Not That Funny Tusk Fleetwood Mac Pat
00:55:00 Silver Springs Rumours Fleetwood Mac David
01:00:00 Oh Diane Mirage Fleetwood Mac Pat
01:00:00 The Farmer’s Daughter (Live) Live Fleetwood Mac David
01:05:00 Save Me Behind the Mask Fleetwood Mac Pat
01:10:00 The Chain Rumours Fleetwood Mac David
01:10:00 Landslide Fleetwood Mac Fleetwood Mac Pat
01:10:00 Go Your Own Way Rumours Fleetwood Mac David
01:15:00 Sad Angel Extended Play Fleetwood Mac Pat
01:20:00 Big Love Tango in the Night Fleetwood Mac David
01:20:00 I Don’t Want to Know Rumours Fleetwood Mac Pat
01:25:00 That’s All for Everyone Tusk Fleetwood Mac David
01:25:00 Love in Store Mirage Fleetwood Mac Pat
01:35:00 Crying in the Night Buckingham Nicks Buckingham Nicks David